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What is the correction for the Player vs Player tutorial?

Rule Book page 32: The Treed only has 1 movement option but the graphic is incorrect. The Treed should have moved 2 hexes, while still ending adjacent to Awsh.

When an opposing unit defeats itself, who gets the Source reward?

No one. Unless a talent or other game effect says otherwise, when a unit defeats itself the player who is responsible for the defeat is the controlling player, who does not get rewards for units they defeat.

When do talents happen?

Explaining it as simply as possible, talents happen when they say they happen. Page 2 of the rules reference specifies in the Attack section that if a talent is triggered when attacking, its effect occurs simultaneously with the damage being dealt, and if a talent triggers after attacking, it occurs after resolving the attack and retaliation if it is not defeated. If a talent says it happens as a result of moving onto a specific hex, the talent triggers right after the unit moves onto that hex; it does not wait until the full movement is over. If something triggers off of being reduced to 1 health, it triggers when the unit reaches 1 health, keeping in mind that attack and retaliation happen back to back unless the talent says it happens when attacking or that the retaliation is skipped. For a specific example, say an AI Taproot has 2 health and 2 movement. It moves 1 hex and triggers Toxic Secretion, losing 1 health. It now has 1 health and so the Taproot's Summon is triggered. It does not finish its movement, it uses Summon, and gets flipped and grouped under whatever it summoned. The new unit also does not finish the Taproot's movement or move itself, because the AI Summon talent says it does not move this turn. If instead the Taproot were reduced to 1 health from an attack, the Taproot would get to retaliate first, because that is part of the attack and Summon says after, and then it would Summon. With regards to the word immediately, its use does not usually have a special meaning. It is usually just used to emphasize unusual timing, but timing that would occur even if that word were not in the sentence.

When doing a limited build option can I add extra upgrades to the spire I am constructing at the same time?

At the start of your turn you may use your limited build options to construct a spire and then upgrade the spire you just constructed. Build options are done one at a time, so doing this will use up both of your build options for the wave, and upgrades added to the spire will always go below the upgrades the constructed spire starts with. For example, the Brawnen player decides they want to construct a Dispatch Platform spire and also want to give it an extra attack upgrade. They spend 4 Source to construct the spire, using 1 of their 2 build options, and then spend 3 Source to add an attack upgrade to the bottom of their spire using the second of their build options. The upgrades on the spire can be put in any order of the player's choice but the Brawnen cannot put 2 attack upgrades above the range upgrade in this situation, because the range upgrade was added as part of the first build option.

When using two limited build options, can I use the influence I gain from constructing a spire in my first build to construct a new spire in my second build?

Yes. When you construct a spire, the influence is granted immediately, which you can use to construct a spire on a Source well that you may not have had influence over prior.

Greige Faction

17 questions

Are units in the Evo chamber considered in play?

Yes. Like units in the deployment stack, units in the Evolution Pit are in play. However, they are considered to be inside the fortress, which means they cannot be attacked by opposing units, including by opposing heroes.

Can I use Burrow or Dig on Source wells?

No. Source wells are not considered non-path hexes and cannot be used for these talents.

Can a Burrower still evolve like other Greige minions or does it have to use its Burrow talent?

The Burrower may still evolve as normal. Note that doing so means that it can be attacked by opposing heroes, unlike when using the Burrow talent where it cannot be attacked at all.

Can an opposing hero attack a unit in the Greige Evolution Pit?

No. The unit in the Evolution Pit is considered inside the fortress and cannot be attacked.

Can units move on or through Tunnel Access chips placed by Greige units?

No. In order for a unit to move onto a hex, the hex must be unoccupied in order to be considered a valid hex. The hex is occupied by the chip so units cannot move on or through it, including Greige units, unless another ability says otherwise, like the Greige fortress advancement Tunnel System 3 - Shortcut.

Do the Greige get the rewards for units defeated by Toxic Secretion or Toxic Fumes?

Yes. When a unit is defeated by a Greige-controlled Toxic Secretion talent or by a Toxic Fumes chip, the Greige are responsible for the defeat and get the rewards for it. Toxic Secretion from landmark minions does not count as Greige defeats, as landmarks are not Greige units. If a defeat from Toxic Secretion occurs from Echri's Toxic Secretion she gained from the Queen's Chamber fortress advancement, Echri levels up. In the rare instance where there are multiple different Toxic Secretion talents and which one caused the defeat matters, the player whose turn it is decides the order in which the damage is applied.

Do you have to choose a Greige minion type when using Splice, or can you choose any minion type?

You do not have to choose a Greige minion type. The minion type can be any minion in the game including allies and opposing minions.

Does a Greige unit take a turn the same turn as it finishes evolving?

Yes. It will gain its last health and flip over at the start of your turn, and will then activate as normal that turn.

If I have a Broodnest spire and the only adjacent path hex is invalid, do I still spawn a Larva minion at the start of my first turn?

Yes. When a Larva minion spawns on an invalid hex it follows the rules for invalid hexes on page 10 of the rules reference.

If I roll the Evo die and I do not have any more of the rolled unit in my barracks, what happens?

The Larva simply promotes to its promoted side. The use of the die is optional, so after seeing the rolled result if that unit is unavailable your only choice is to forgo the benefit.

When deploying using the Tunnel System - Workers Way, from where do I measure whether I made progress?

Your units still form a deployment stack on your fortress gate as normal. When they move off the fortress gate they may do so adjacent to one of the Tunnel Access chips in play. The amount of progress they made uses the fortress gate hex as the hex they started from.

When using the Surrogate Chamber, does excess damage carry over to the Greige fortress and do players get rewards for defeating the defending unit?

Excess damage is not carried over and the attacking player does gain rewards, including both Source and leveling up if the attacking unit is a hero. The fortress gate will retaliate even when the defending unit is defeated.

Will an evolving minion retaliate if it is attacked by a hero and not defeated?

Yes. Inactive units retaliate like other units. Evolving minions are still on their basic side so they retaliate using the stats from their basic side.

Grovetenders Faction

8 questions

Can Creeping Vines spires use their Creep talent to move onto Source wells?

No. Source wells are not considered non-path hexes and cannot be used for the Creep talent.

Can Dywen use Pacify on a unit with Engage?

No. Engage says that units that are able to attack must do so. For Dywen, because she can attack the unit with Engage, she cannot use her Pacify talent because she does not have the option to forgo her attack.

Can units that were summoned through the Summon or Evoke talent attack on the turn they were summoned?

Yes. These talents only prevent a summoned unit from moving on the turn it was summoned. Attacking, exploring, and using talents may all be done without penalty.

Can you have more than one unit from basic form on the same hero?

Yes. If you place two units under the same hero over the course of multiple waves it will have the talents of all units under it. However, redundant talents do not stack, so a hero with two Warbriars under it will still only do one damage from Impale.

Do upgrades removed from the Root Die have to come from the bottom of the spires?

Yes. Any upgrades removed through the use of the Root Die must come off of the bottom of the spires.

Does Impale work on landmark minions?

Yes. Landmark minions are considered opposing, so they will be damaged by Impale.

Does the Orgegrowth's Challenge talent prevent opposing units within its effect range from using instead of attacking talents like Weak-point from the hammer and chisel equipment?

Challenge says that any attack a hero makes must be against this unit. Weak Point is itself not an attack, but it is instead of attacking. As a result, because the hero loses its ability to attack it cannot use an instead of attacking talent unless that talent was directed at the Orgegrowth because the hero can attack it.

Is Ybanthe allowed to use Evoke to summon a unit on a non-adjacent path hex?

Yes. The Evoke talent specifies that the unit is summoned on the path hex closest to Ybanthe, which does not necessarily have to be adjacent or valid. If the hex is invalid, for example the path being summoned on has no connection to the Grovetender's mark, the summoned minion will follow the rules for invalid hexes found on page 10 of the rules reference. Note that this is different from a Muskeg spire, which specifically calls out a valid hex in the text for Wallop.
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